While I do not know a lot about this condition, I will see if I can help some.

I would be focusing on the DEEP ROOTED and NUTRITIVE herbs. Burdock (any of the docks), alfalfa, nettle and the like, at least to start.

What is it about the deep roots? Does it indicate an affinity for a system of the body? Or does it just collect extraordinary amounts of nutrients that feed the nervous system?

They are VERY nutritive, especially if you can wildcraft them from places that have not been farmed or contaminated.

Chronic fatigue is a big subject. I’m just getting ready to head out of town and can’t do it justice today. More to come…

Doc

One of my recent favorite quotes from Paul Bergner (December 4, 2016, FB), “The main issue is usually sleep debt, and most people, if they will lie in bed with the lights off for 12 hours for 3 nights in a row, will be mostly better after the third night. That is a screening test to see how bad the depletion is. If not better in 3 nights, try ten. If not better then, you have a case of true burnout OR the person is consuming the thing daily that is causing the fatigue, usually a food intolerance.”.

Additionally, “We have been lazy equating fatigue with adrenal function for my entire professional career, adrenal burnout has become a pop term without an actual basis, and giving cortisone or adaptogens for it on the theory that they “support the adrenals” has become the band aid we use instead of doing the work of actual healing with diet, nutrition, sleep-coaching, and other lifestyle considerations. Burnout is real, it is just not adrenal.” ~Paul Bergner

I love that here in this thread nutritive herbs are being suggested. I posit that Chronic Fatigue is insidious and very individual; poor sleep, poor lighting conditions, poor diet, lack of fresh air, xenoestrogens, poor methylation, lack of exercise, challenging relationships… stressors.. stressors.. stressors.. there are so MANY. Our poor bodies :boggle:

I love that Solidago! Paul is absolutely right and that regimen would work well for many cases. People are lousy at taking care of themselves. Good food and good rest will cure a world of ills.

Real Chronic fatigue Syndrome is an autoimmune disorder caused by Ebstien Barr Virus (mononucleosis). Ebstien Barr is a Herpes virus so once you get it, you’ve got it for life. I have treated a number of these cases with good success. They aren’t cured, but they feel and function better.

I start with the leaky gut protocol and an elimination diet. Read this book and do what they say.

At the same time, take this herb formula:

Once you’ve done the above for a month or so you can start this formula. two teaspoons twice daily.

https://homegrownherbalist.net/products/infxn-epstein-barr-achong

A very unique and interesting book dealing with this is Medical Medium.

It uses herbs and foods to deal with the cause.

Martha

I have followed the diets in Medical Medium, as I test with an active raging infection of Epstein Barr. After the 30 day program, felt somewhat better, but then it regressed. Now its up and down. I do get 9-10hrs sleep each night, follow the Paleo style eating (fresh veggies, etc) and avoid modern grains, carbs, sodas, white sugar, etc. My dad has it and is basically house ridden except for a few hours each week.

I had it described once as if your your cells were like worn out batteries. They won’t charge up like they are supposed to and they discharge rapidly. I’m good for 1-3hrs of anything physical and then I’m done for the day. Most days I have a constant ache all over.

I’ve tried many other things that sometimes help for awhile and then it regresses. I just have to manage my day, get lots of sleep, not over do it, and then I’m good for about 50% of what I used to could do.

I look forward to trying some of the herbal treatments.

Neal from Utah Valley

I know that this is an old thread but I would like to share my own experience with chronic fatigue syndrome, along with fibromyalgia. Now, I have a myriad of life-threatening conditions but I am actually doing a lot better.

I have no scientific data to back anything up; so keep in mind that what I will mention is what has helped me a lot and maybe a couple of personal theories as to what might be contributing to these not-so-fun maladies.

For me, I have found that once I figured out how to give my body the many nutrients that it needs (as I tend to be deficient in a lot of key vitamins and minerals), I do a whole lot better. Magnesium is a huge factor for me. Our foods, even “healthy” foods, are depleted because of soil depletion and contamination. Good quality supplementation has helped me a lot. I have also been able to figure out different herb combinations have helped. I agree that the “deeply nourishing” herbs are invaluable. I include herbs that are nourishing, anti-inflammatory, immune-supportive, etc. One thing I recently learned, too, is that the body’s ability to absorb nutrients is very often affected by the food we eat. If avoid certain foods, I do a whole lot better and I notice that my energy levels are better. Theory #1: I think that if we are eating foods that are inflaming our intestines, we are not going to absorb nutrients very well.

Theory #2: Sometimes I wonder if adrenal fatigue might also be a factor with some of us who have CFS.

I was also introduced to reflexology last year and that also sped up my recovery; now I have my own practice here in town. Reflexology helps me control my symptoms—not only for CFS and fibro, but respiratory and other issues that I have. Still a work in progress, though!

Last year, I was on my way to “the other side of the veil.” I was very debilitated. I couldn’t hardly walk or take care of myself. It was very hard to breathe, I was drowning in my own fluids, I was in a lot of pain, and the MDs literally did not care. I was tired of fighting so I was preparing to not treat anymore and just let nature take its course.

Miraculously, after being introduced to reflexology, and recovering enough to think clearly, I began to learn to work on myself and then start learnin about nutrition and started dabbling again in herbs and finding things that were helping me to get better.

Doc Jones has often counseled us to “listen to that little voice in our heads.” I am here to tell you that he is right! Some of you may not be religious but I am here to tell you that if we ask the Great Physician what we, individually, need to do to get better, He will tell us. I started getting promptings about certain herbs that I had no clue what benefits they had; but when I looked them up, I was often very shocked as to why I kept getting those promptings. I also started to understand why I was craving certain types of foods. It was all because they have nutrients that my body desperately needed. I am still experiencing this, as I continue to work on getting my strength back. Not only am I stumbling onto the information I need, I am able to start understanding it, and the way is opening up for me to have the resources I need to accomplish it.

I guess this is turning out to be a big long story, and who knows if anyone will even read it. I guess what I want to say is that, even if it seems like it can’t possibly get better, very often it can! I am a living, breathing, walking miracle. I should not still be in the flesh but I am. Now I am helping other people get better. Sometimes it starts by asking the right questions.

Overcoming illness, especially chronic illness, is a very personal and individual thing. There are general guidelines but it is very individual. That is one of the big problems with allopathic medicine. They want us to fit into this neat little textbook package and then get frustrated and, sometimes, very abusive towards those of us who don’t quite fit their idea of the perfect medical case. They just as soon toss you into a proverbial wastebasket and hope you never darken their doors again. Well, guess what! I have no intentions of going back. I pray I never will!

And that is where I am right now. This is why I am working very hard to learn herbal medicine, different forms of body work, and effective healing modalities that don’t deviate from integrity.

I’ve got my first ever medicinal garden almost completely planted so that I can do hands-on learning. I am spending much time studying and reviewing.

Okay, so I got completely off-track here but what I have shared has, not only helped with CFS and fibro, but many of my other chronic conditions, as well. For what it’s worth!

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