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Dawn
Hello Doc, I am researching plants and have an issue with my dog’s miserable itch and, now, fleas to go along with it. It started over a year ago; I honestly have lost track of time. She’s been seen by 2 vets at our practice and I have incorporated much of there suggestions but I am trying to work with herbs and a few dog friendly EOs. After revisiting the Dog Module, I think she is possibly allergic to some herbs. Here is the question: Is Spilanthes safe with dogs? Would you use the standard dose as applied to most herbs for dogs if you do find it safe enough to try?
My research has shown it helps with pain by inhibiting the detection of painful stimuli (possibly the behind the incessant itch?) and that it has been used for scabies in Ayurvedic medicine. At the very least, it is proven to be anti inflammatory which she certainly has skin inflammation remaining (currently using Milk Thistle seed, Burdock root, Nettle leaf, Red Clover, Flax seed, and recently added Rhemannia root, just discontinued Garlic qtr clove; twice daily).
As I believe there is something wrong besides food allergies and environmental allergies, I thought this might be helpful if there is some mite or internal parasite causing this problem … research shows this herb is useful with malaria, filarial mosquito vectors, and even cockroaches (when applied directly). While at the same time, I beleive researches noted neuroprotective qualities. This is only one source which I think you would be interested in seeing https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4827075/
I think my dog may have no seems itching her to death … she really eats up spots on either side of her tail. Colloidal silver sprayed there made it heal but it has not stopped the problem. My calendula balm and All Purpose balm did not heal it. With no balm, she would get inflammed and iriitated bumps and feverishly chewed at those spots as soon as she stepped outside in the hot sun. She has learned to just stay indoors. We allow her on the bed and we do not have any such issues. My other dog shared beds with her and does not itch. What on earth could this be?
Is Spilanthes safe to try? In what dose would it be best, if I gave it a try?
Thank you sooooo much for all feedback.
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Joelle
Hey, I just saw this post is about dogs, so maybe you should post it in the vet section. Hope you dog is able to get some relief!
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Dr. Patrick Jones
I don’t think Spilnathes will help. I’d look at this lesson to understand allergies better. That’s almost certainly what’s going on.
—-Immune System & Lymphatics III: Allergies, Autoimmune Disease & Leaky Gut
There are two ways to decrease allergy-stimulating histamine levels in the body. One approach is to decrease the histamine response with herbs like Brigham tea or nettles. The other is to increase histamine elimination in the liver with herbs like burdock and milk thistle. Unfortunately, dogs sometimes have plant allergies, so I would try one plant at a time to assess their effects.
All of the herbs mentioned here are safe in dogs. You can find the correct dosing for dogs by weight under the âInfo and Dosingâ tab on the listing pages.
If plant allergies are part of the problem, the dog may not benefit much from plant medicines for allergies. In those cases, where relief is not possible naturally, pharmaceuticals from your local veterinarian will be the best option.Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.
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Yes, we are working on allergies and believe there are problems with some herbs and essential oils. I am trying to test them out to eliminate any with allergic response but that has proven difficult because she is so itchy every day. Night time seems the most restless or relentless ,I should say, in itching at bedside đ
But, fleas have become an issue during this season which have not been an issue the last couple years. We had a warm winter which may have contributed but, once I started using Frontline Plus again, it did not take care of the flea issue. I have a couple questions pending in the Veterinary Section regarding her allergies and all of my efforts on that front. This post was really trying to get your thoughts on Spilanthes and safety for dogs to hit back at the insect population. She has fleas, possibly a type of mite too(?)Â and I want to hit those buggers with the potential “insecticidal” use of Spilanthes. I want to test that research study if it is safe for my dog internally. I thought you’d find that study interesting if you had time to review the details to see if it was “Gold Standard”.
I guess you’re saying that Spilanthes is GRAS, not low dose, or Lobelia- like, etc? I wasn’t sure which herbs your were referring to when you said “all of the herbs mentioned”, your herb list or mine? The Frontline Plus isn’t helping and I’m doing the usual beds, carpets, etc too. My vet didn’t want to do a mite test saying it usually doesnt find them as it is just chance you comb some up to test and didn’t offer a medication. Plus, I don’t want to over medicate my dog without reason. Aditionally, I wonder if my use of Milk Thistle contributed to the lack of response from the Frontline treatment. Could Milk Thistle possibly pull it out of her system before it could take effect? As my understanding is that Frontline uses the skin’s system to distribute the chemical all over the dog’s body.
My dog has an area on her back that is creeping further up like a marching band that only responded to Colloidal Silver spray for a time. I think it might be mites there; I have never encountered mites so I don’t know. Seems like once her system got challenged, everything is attacking her. I called to request a consultation in July because it seems so complicated and the email request was sent on July 17.
This whole thing is keeping us both up nights for an extended period of time, ugh. Poor puppy đ All summer she could not go outside becuase she breaks out in rash on her tail end in a terrible itch that becomes so red, bloody red, and she chews on incessantly and feverishly almost from the moment she gets out there… well, that has calmed down a bit with the heat as the fall temperatures are starting. I won’t give her any herbs that I know to be phototoxic, most of summer it was only Milk Thistle and Nettle once I started seeing that issue. We are both exhausted … well, dogs seem to get enough sleep throughout the day. Any help, a deeper dive, would be so very much appreciated.
(additional notes: burning or itching or bugs biting sensation must be causing the dog to chew her rear and reason I shared that the pain reducing effect found in Spilanthes might be helpful in this case, or numbing. Also, anti inflammatory effect in herb might help as she runs soo hot that I can’t use turmeric in summers and nothing else seems to be working yet you can see the inflammation in her skin folds. Lastly, the “kills the coachroaches” so I thought internally and external spray for the bugs)
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