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SUZANNE
I have made numerous single herb tinctures and would like to make a formula with them. Can I use the drops of the single tinctures and combine them with other singles to make the formula?
Periodontal formula: per Doc Jones
1 calendula flower
1 comfrey root
1 devils claw root
1 echinacea root/flower
Using however many drops from each of the singles, combine them together, just making sure that it is the same amount for each herb.
For Example: Periodontal Formula
5 drops calendula
5 drops comfrey
5 drops devil’s claw
5 drops echinacea
I hope this is understandable. Again, my question is: Can I combine the single tinctures to make a combination formula? Thank you for your replies.
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Wanda
Thank you for that question. I’ve wondered the same. I had a similar question that I’ve had trouble finding a definitive answer to.
I’ve wondered how exactly one could make a tincture from the formulated powders offered through Doc Jones and Home Grown? If so, how one would go about doing that? I’m concerned my powders may expire before being able to use them. A video lesson or detailed description would be much appreciated.
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Rebecca Livermore
Hi Wanda, I do this all the time! Highly recommended, and super easy. It looks like Michelle gave you great instructions on how to do it. I didn’t have the same problem she did with the NoMoSpasms powder, though it may just be because I used a large enough jar for it to all fit. At any rate, Michelle, thanks for sharing your experience with a “thirsty” powder, because it’s not something I would have known how to handle.
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Thank you for your reply Rebecca! I’m going to set some time aside to delve into doing this project. A bit scary for me still. I’ve done one tincture with dried Arnica that I wasn’t too enthused over. I think I had some from one of the medicine kits, so maybe it was just outdated. My kit is older, and the updates in the medicine kit have different herbs now, so it messes me up a bit.
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Sharon
Wanda, you ARE using the Arnica tincture ONLY as topical, right? I’m sure you already knew this, but better to ask and be safe than to assume and have you get very sick or die! Forgive me if it’s “old news” for you.
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I just now noticed this, and arnica being topical only is an important point to keep in mind.
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Hi Sharon. Yes, external use only, lol. In fact I’ve labeled my tincture bottle with a skull and crossbones☠️.
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Michelle Koch
Hi there! Regarding Suzanne’s question, I do, all the time! Truth be told, I rather prefer it, rather than letting a surplus of powdered herbs expire. Also, I never really know what combinations of herbs I’m going to need at any given time, for a random individual, including myself, lol. So I tincture up all the herbs singly, and combine the ones I need when I need them.
Regarding Wanda’s question, there is an entire lesson in the medicine making section of the curriculum, including video demonstrations. But as a written example here, I just received some NoMo Spazms powder from the HGH shop. Using a digital kitchen scale, I set a clean glass jar on top and turned it on (so I tared it to zero). Using a small spoon, I gradually scooped spoonfuls into the jar until it weighed one ounce. Then I poured 80 proof vodka into the same jar, until it weighed 10 ounces (NoMo Spazms is a very “thirsty” powder, so I needed to make it more dilute to fit into the jar). Since this makes it more dilute than the optimal 1:5 ratio, what I will do in two weeks, is strain out the herb I have extracting right now, then add an ounce of fresh powder into the same (weak) tincture. That is sure to improve the potency. On the label, I will write a ratio of 1:10, double infused.
Now, on a less “thirsty” herb, like nettle leaf, for example, I can fit ten fluid ounces of vodka over two ounces of powdered nettle leaf, in a pint jar.
Sometimes, this herb stuff is as much intuition and experimentation as it is science. Have fun, and enjoy the journey. 🙂
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Thank you so much Michelle. I have so many of docs powdered formulations on hand that I hate to see gone by the wayside before I’ve had a chance to use them, I.E. the Joint Support, Cold Away, Azma and the Poultice (which would be nice as a spray). I believe I saw something in the making medicine lesson somewhere. So much to learn, so little time, lol. Love this course! Thank you again!
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Michelle, didn’t you actually end up with a 1:9 instead of a 1:10 ratio – unless you tared it out after you added the powder. So if not, the first ounce was the powder, and the balance of the 10 ounces would actually be 9 ounces of hooch – unless I misunderstood. I love that technique though “double infused”! I’ll be doing this with other thirsty herbs myself (unless Doc chimes in with a reason not to do this, which I rather doubt). Thanks for that cool thought!
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Sharon, yep, you’re right. It’s actually 1:9. 🙂
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I find myself wondering Michelle, if when using the very thirsty herbs – perhaps we could “double macerate” them. Meaning, say we end up with a thirsty one that was a 1:10. We finish that tincture, and then take the liquid/tincture and use it “as” the alcohol for a second batch of that herb in the appropriate amount (slightly less I’m sure than the first one since we do loose a little hooch). Seems like by doing it this odd way, we’d end up with a 1:5 for a really thirsty herb. That’s just my goofy way of thinking anyway.
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Hi Michelle,
So, regarding Jan 9, 2024 post: when you did the double infusion with the NoMoSpazms powder you used 10 ounces of vodka to 1 ounce of powdered herbs. Then let it sit for two weeks and then remove those herbs and added 1 ounce of new powdered herbs. So, then how long did you wait to strain the second round of herbs?
Thank you!
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Sydnia Ginger Anady
the nice thing about having single tinctures , is if someone is sensitive to a particular plant you have the ability of omitting that plant. a friend of mine purchased a tincture from a herb store that had 12 different plants in it…. her husband had a reaction and now will not try any of those plants
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Such a shame Sydnia – he’s just not being reasonable though – he could have had a reaction to a pharmaceutical product that a doctor prescribed for him just as easily (and truth tell, he could possibly have had that reaction because he was on a drug that didn’t play nice with the herbs). You can lead a horse to water, but…!
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My biggest question when using simples to make our own formulas (or even to make Doc’s formulas with our simples) is dosage. Say you put together 6 tinctures for one formula. When they were singles you’d use one or two droppers of that particular simple. But now that you have 6 tinctures together, if you use the same 1-2 droppers, you’re only getting 1/6th of what you would have gotten as simples. So it makes sense to me that you’d have to multiply the dose by however many tinctures you put into that formula. Hope my logic makes sense. Any guidance is greatly welcome!
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Suppose you hired a cleaning service to come to your home, and they charge $20 an hour. They send just one person, and that person takes four hours to clean your home, so you pay the company $80. But if they sent two people to your home, they could get the job done in just two hours, but you will still have to pay the company $80. (Not $40, and not $160)
When I have a multi-herb tincture (or a multi-tincture tincture), I still take the same dose I would take if my tincture was a simple single.
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Thanks Michelle, but it just still seems like you’re only getting 1/6 (if 6 tinctures together) of what you’d normally get. If you normally take one dropper of each, but now you have 6 tinctures together, my brain is stuck on why you wouldn’t need 6 droppers. Ugh – sorry to be thick headed, but I just cannot wrap my brain in that direction! For some reason I cannot get the cleaning lady analogy to work with tinctures – I’m sure it made sense to you, but my brain isn’t getting it. Guess I need Ginkgo!
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Elizabeth
Hello !
I was just wondering if if I could make a tincture with 20 grams of herbs (using 10 grams of one herb and 10 grams of another herb to make up 20 grams of herbs) and then 100 grams of vodka ? Hopefully this makes sense.
Oh, what peace we often forfeit, Oh, what needless pain we bear,
All because we do not carry, everything to God in prayer!-
Hi Elizabeth,
Yes, this is how I make most of my tinctures. It would then be 1:5 ratio. One part herbs (the total amount of all the herbs added together) in this case 20 grams. Then multiply 20 by 5 which equals 100 grams. So 100 grams is how much vodka you would use for this tincture.
You go girl!!! 😀
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Excellent ! Thanks Suzanne💕
Oh, what peace we often forfeit, Oh, what needless pain we bear,
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Reposting this question for visibility. My biggest question when using simples to make our own formulas (or even to make Doc’s formulas with our simples) is dosage. Say you put together 6 tinctures for one formula. When they were singles you’d use one or two droppers of that particular simple. But now that you have 6 tinctures together, if you use the same 1-2 droppers, you’re only getting 1/6th of what you would have gotten as simples. So it makes sense to me that you’d have to multiply the dose by however many tinctures you put into that formula. Hope my logic makes sense. Any guidance is greatly welcome!
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Dee.MW
It’s not at all necessary to multiply the dosage because the tincture is compounded, in fact I wouldn’t. You’re not down by 1/6th, but you’ve added 6 friends to the job. If you’re not feeling results, try a gradually increase, add a drop every few days until you feel the dosage is influencing a change, like Doc described with teasel. Cheers, Dee
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