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Linda Bertholf
Hello! I am fairly new to herbalism and personally feel it is the best way to go when addressing your health. But one concern I have always had with herbs is if they are going to really work for me. And by that – I mean specifically ME. I know they do, because I have seen results in my son who uses them to help with asthma. But I have always been someone who does not respond to medications the way they are prescribed. Example, I had surgery for carpal tunnel. The doctor prescribed a heavy-duty pain medication, which I was to take 1 every 6 hours as needed. However, 1 pill every 6 hours would never cut it for me. I have ALWAYS been like this – in order for a pain medication to work, I practically have to OD on it – double it up – in order to even feel any relief. I have had this experience with oxy, Vicodin … all the heavy hitters. I experience it even with every day, over the counter meds as well – aspirin, Excedrin, Benadryl, etc. If it says to take 2 every 4 hours, I generally will have to take 4 to even start to feel relief.
I am NOT a fan of pharmaceuticals. I avoid them like the plague simply because I don’t trust the ingredients that are in them, and OTC meds I only take when I can no longer stand it. I won’t take them unless I am truly in pain or have a problem (I once had to take blood pressure meds at the insistence of my doctor). A little background here – my parents in their elderly years were both in wheelchairs – my father from cancer and my mother from years of abuse on her body. Between the two of them, they were taking upwards of 25+ medications daily for various illnesses and conditions. One parent would be prescribed a medication for a specific condition, along with 3 others just to counteract the possible interactions or side effects with OTHER medications they were on, for other situations. It terrified me to watch the number of pharmaceuticals that they were taking each day, not to mention the amount of money they were pouring into them each month. This is why I decided to pursue herbalism. I KNOW there is a better way!!
But for me, what dosage or for how long would I have to take of an herbal tincture/concoction in order for it to really work? I’ve tried herbalism with tinctures and salves before, for pain, only to never improve on the situation (or at least feel or notice any effect). I don’t know if it was just bad knowledge of what I was taking or if it’s truly something with me that is the problem here.
Forgive me if this is posted in the wrong topic thread, but this has ALWAYS been a concern for me with herbalism. I have a high pain tolerance and have always been one that has to basically double a dosage of any medication for it to work. I just wonder if I will experience the same with herbalism.
Linda
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Greg Boggs
One thing I’ve noticed Doc saying in the videos I’ve been watching recently is to become an expert on yourself, maybe it does take twice the dosage for you to experience the effects with pain relieving herbs, but the same might not be true for getting over a cold. The biggest way I’ve been learning outside the videos is just experimenting and seeing what works well. I don’t know if anyone will be able to give you an answer on if you will have to double the dose, but you will be able to figure that out as you try different things. I also remember when Doc was talking about his experiences with Teasel, he told the lady to increase the drops she took each day and if she got to a certain drop amount then to call her back, perhaps that is an approach you can take. If you are struggling with pain, take a hops tincture and try that and increase until you found the number that works for you.
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Dr. Patrick Jones
Greg is pretty much spot on (as usual). :0)
You’ll just have to experiment and become an expert on Linda. Different herbs have different effects and you may need more of one type than another.
My guess is you have a really good liver that ain’t lettin’ anybody in that it doesn’t recognize. So a higher dose may sometimes be needed.
Another thing you might try is adding fresh ground black pepper to your herb regimen. It really markedly improves absorption and availability of many herbs and nutrients.
Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.
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Dr. Patrick Jones.
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Dawn
Doc, would most of the herbs we are studying here be safe to double (incrementally) if we were not finding the results? ( with the noted exceptions of Lobelia and Arnica, and precautions/saftey guidance)
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Arnica will kill you internally. Don’t use that one orally at all. Lobelia is a bit of a risk as well if you over do it. Puncture vine is another I wouldn’t double up on.
Most of the other herbs in common use have very wide safety margins and won’t be an issue.
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Michelle Koch
Are you a redhead, by chance? I’ve heard from several sources that redheads often require more medication than blondes and brunettes.
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I was once in a hospital getting an IV poked in and asked the nurse if white patients bled more than black ones. I was just joking around as a veterinarian because white dogs always make more of a mess when I poke a vein than black ones. Not because they bleed more…it just shows up more on a white dog’s fur and takes more work to clean it up and make it presentable.
Once the nurse realized I was being a silly veterinarian and not a racist booger head, she laughed and then got serious and said “I haven’t noticed any difference in bleeding with different kinds of folks but redheads are really different with drug responses“. Apparently they often give nurses and anesthesiologists fits with their odd drug metabolism habits.
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Wow, so I’m not the only one who has heard this! And for the record… I once had a skin biopsy done, and as the doctor’s assistant was bandaging me up, she said, “Actually, I’m going to put extra gauze on you, because you’re a redhead, and they bleed!”
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So they’re naughty that way too! I guess we shouldn’t be surprised. LOL
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Jean
Sorry so late to chime in here Linda. I hope you found some answers. Pain killers do not work with me either. (However, I do not have red hair) I once took the highest dose of codeine/Tylenol and took it as often as allowed (after a tooth extraction) After a two week time period (if I am remembering correctly) of the highest dose allowed as often as possible, all of it dissolved all at once or so it seemed. As soon as I was starting to feel the effects of all of that codeine Tylenol hit my system, I started taking a lot of charcoal. I ended up vomiting and passing out. It was a long time ago. I do not remember much more then that. In my case, I believe the issue is undocumented gastroparesis. (I doubt that is your issue) but, just wanted to share because it took me years to figure this out on my own. Of course, that does not explain an injection of demoral and then going into shock. (lips turned white) ER had absolutely no clue as to what to do with me. When I came around I had to ask for a blanket and hat to keep my body heat in. I am also a HSP. (Highly Sensitive Person) I am still trying to figure out herb doses as well of even what exactly works. Some days one things works, the next day it does not work. Its going to take a while to fine tune and its hard to be patient with that.
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Vicky Kawaguchi
Hi Linda, I always add a little cheyenne tincture with my herb tinctures maybe its the same affect as the Black pepper.
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Wow that is the first ever that I have heard of Cheyenne. TKS! edited to add: and I cant find any info on it att.
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Jean.
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Perhaps it was a typo and was meant to say Cayenne, or it’s an herb I haven’t heard of
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Greg Boggs.
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Cayenne makes total sense! Thank you Greg!
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