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    • #17712
      Michelle Koch
      Student

        Hello Fellow Students!

        I created a “General Tonic” intended to support several major systems and promote wellness, and I shared it with my friend, who is elderly.  Somewhat unrelated, she had fallen recently, and hurt her knee.  It was very sore, and she had been limping.  Well I saw her out walking her dog, and she stopped to thank me, saying her knee felt better, and she thought it was the tonic, and she was very impressed.  Here’s the fun part:  Not one of the herbs in that tonic are “pain relievers,” or even for “joint support,” specifically.  But they do have anti-inflammatory properties secondary to their primary support functions!  I found this case to be a potent reminder to view our bodies as a series of systems that work together in synergy to promote the body’s ability to heal itself, rather than targeting a list of specific symptoms.  (If Mom has help keeping the house clean, she might have more time to play “Candy Land”).  Oh, in case inquiring minds want to know:  my ” general tonic” has Mulberry leaf, Nettle leaf, Dandelion root, and Garlic.

      • #17765
        Dr. Patrick Jones
        Homestead Instructor

          Herbs are sneaky rascals. Seems like they all do a dozen things. Every herb in your tonic has research-proven anti-inflammatory properties and lot of anti-oxidants that never get any attention in the popular herb press. The dandelion, nettles and mulberry are also diuretics that clean junk out of the blood which also decreases inflammation indirectly.

          So what apparently happened is that the herbs were sneaking around doing anti-inflammatory tricks on the poor unsuspecting little old lady without even asking.

          The take home message is, that herbs are complex smorgasbords of healing chemicals and if you give them to the body, the body putters along the buffet and picks out everything it wants and then straightens itself out.

          Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.

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        • #21486
          Sharon
          Student

            @Michelle Koch – what “format” did you make it in – tincture? How often/much did you have her take it? Do you happen to remember your formula? So happy that it helped your friend’t knee – I’d like to try it for my inflamed bursa on my shoulder. Thanks 🙂

            • #21787
              Dr. Patrick Jones
              Homestead Instructor

                This one is good for inflammation too:

                Joint Support

                If you want to make your own, Go to this lesson and click on Joint Support for the formjula.

                https://homesteadacademy.com/course/homegrown-herbalist/lessons/pain-formulas/

                 

                Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.

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                • #21801
                  Sharon
                  Student

                    Can the ground pepper be included when making the Joint Support as a tincture, or does the pepper have to be taken internally “as ground pepper” rather than “in” the formula as it’s being macerated?  I hope this makes sense.  Thank you for making it available as a “ready made” blend that I can just add hooch to!

                • #23514
                  Michelle Koch
                  Student
                  Topic Author

                    Hi Sharon,

                    I made a tincture.  I actually tinctured each herb individually (so I can use them for other stuff too), then combined equal amounts of each together in a bottle.  My “suggested serving size” is 1/2 teaspoon twice a day, six days a week.

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                    • #23657
                      Sharon
                      Student

                        Michelle, do you have a recipe for your “separately tinctured” 1:1:1 ingredients?  I have made and use several of Doc’s formulas, but always looking for other options and recipes for issues.  Seems sometimes one works, then the next time I use it – it doesn’t.  Rinse and repeat.  I think it’s my body trying to be a comedian – I don’t find it funny at all.

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                        • #24160
                          Michelle Koch
                          Student
                          Topic Author

                            Sharon,

                            I tinctured (dried) Mulberry leaf, Nettle leaf, Dandelion Root, and fresh Garlic, 1:5 solution, by weight, of herb to 80 proof, cheap vodka (See Doc’s lesson on making tinctures).  Then later, I used a liquid measuring cup to pour equal amounts of each tincture (they had all been adequately infused and strained at this point).  So 100 milliliters of each one, to equal a combined total of 400 ml.  Then poured the whole lot into a little brown bottle.  Or pour four ounces of each tincture into the two cup measuring cup, and then pour the combined liquid into a clean pint jar, put the lid on, label it, and now you have a whole pint to dispense into little brown bottles to share.

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                    • #21802
                      Dr. Patrick Jones
                      Homestead Instructor

                        It works well without the pepper. But the pepper is a great addition. It has to be fresh ground as you take it. Don’t bother putting it in the formula or tincture.

                        Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.

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                        • #23109
                          Sharon
                          Student

                            Ok, dumb question here of course, but if it’s not in the formula or the tincture – how are you taking it?  We generally take our tinctures in the morning just after breakfast and at bedtime.  But I can’t see me licking a spoon of pepper to go with them!  Which also makes me wonder about the amount of fresh pepper needed.  Thanks as always!

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                            • #23226
                              Dr. Patrick Jones
                              Homestead Instructor

                                When I take tinctures, I always put them in a little water or juice or some such. If the tincture has turmeric, I’ll take the pepper grinder and put a few grinds of pepper in the glass too….1/4 tsp maybe?

                                In fact, when I feel something coming on, I often do just pepper and it knocks it out. It’s a great tonic and bugs hate it.

                                Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.

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                                • #48253
                                  Sharon
                                  Student

                                    Uh oh, I’m confused again (shock of all shocks)!  I have seen black pepper tincture in Doc’s store, and I know I’ve heard him mention making a black pepper tincture before.  So that of course makes me wonder why he says not to put it in Michelle’s tincture.  Please un-confuse me?

                                    • #48369
                                      Michelle Koch
                                      Student
                                      Topic Author

                                        @Sharon, Doc’s black pepper comment was in reference to his joint support formula, and not my green tonic.

                                        • #48467
                                          Sharon
                                          Student

                                            Michelle – either way…  He says above to take it separately, but in other places he has mentioned (and sells) black pepper tincture.  So is this just a “preference” for some – separate vs in the blend tincture or as a simple tincture?  So… Still confused LOL!

                                • #23252
                                  Sharon
                                  Student

                                    Thanks Doc – you are just SOOOOO helpful – I have no idea how you find time to do all you have to do on and around the homestead AND answer all the questions here AND make super teaching videos – but I thank you for managing it all.  🙂

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