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October 27, 2022 at 2:09 PM #17712
Michelle Koch
StudentHello Fellow Students!
I created a “General Tonic” intended to support several major systems and promote wellness, and I shared it with my friend, who is elderly. Somewhat unrelated, she had fallen recently, and hurt her knee. It was very sore, and she had been limping. Well I saw her out walking her dog, and she stopped to thank me, saying her knee felt better, and she thought it was the tonic, and she was very impressed. Here’s the fun part: Not one of the herbs in that tonic are “pain relievers,” or even for “joint support,” specifically. But they do have anti-inflammatory properties secondary to their primary support functions! I found this case to be a potent reminder to view our bodies as a series of systems that work together in synergy to promote the body’s ability to heal itself, rather than targeting a list of specific symptoms. (If Mom has help keeping the house clean, she might have more time to play “Candy Land”). Oh, in case inquiring minds want to know: my ” general tonic” has Mulberry leaf, Nettle leaf, Dandelion root, and Garlic.
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October 27, 2022 at 11:47 PM #17765
Dr. Patrick Jones
Homestead InstructorHerbs are sneaky rascals. Seems like they all do a dozen things. Every herb in your tonic has research-proven anti-inflammatory properties and lot of anti-oxidants that never get any attention in the popular herb press. The dandelion, nettles and mulberry are also diuretics that clean junk out of the blood which also decreases inflammation indirectly.
So what apparently happened is that the herbs were sneaking around doing anti-inflammatory tricks on the poor unsuspecting little old lady without even asking.
The take home message is, that herbs are complex smorgasbords of healing chemicals and if you give them to the body, the body putters along the buffet and picks out everything it wants and then straightens itself out.
Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.
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December 11, 2022 at 4:05 AM #21486
Sharon
Student@Michelle Koch – what “format” did you make it in – tincture? How often/much did you have her take it? Do you happen to remember your formula? So happy that it helped your friend’t knee – I’d like to try it for my inflamed bursa on my shoulder. Thanks 🙂
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December 15, 2022 at 2:25 AM #21787
Dr. Patrick Jones
Homestead InstructorThis one is good for inflammation too:
If you want to make your own, Go to this lesson and click on Joint Support for the formjula.
https://homesteadacademy.com/course/homegrown-herbalist/lessons/pain-formulas/
Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.
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December 15, 2022 at 3:01 AM #21801
Sharon
StudentCan the ground pepper be included when making the Joint Support as a tincture, or does the pepper have to be taken internally “as ground pepper” rather than “in” the formula as it’s being macerated? I hope this makes sense. Thank you for making it available as a “ready made” blend that I can just add hooch to!
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January 7, 2023 at 7:45 AM #23514
Michelle Koch
StudentTopic AuthorHi Sharon,
I made a tincture. I actually tinctured each herb individually (so I can use them for other stuff too), then combined equal amounts of each together in a bottle. My “suggested serving size” is 1/2 teaspoon twice a day, six days a week.
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January 9, 2023 at 7:55 PM #23657
Sharon
StudentMichelle, do you have a recipe for your “separately tinctured” 1:1:1 ingredients? I have made and use several of Doc’s formulas, but always looking for other options and recipes for issues. Seems sometimes one works, then the next time I use it – it doesn’t. Rinse and repeat. I think it’s my body trying to be a comedian – I don’t find it funny at all.
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January 16, 2023 at 3:21 PM #24160
Michelle Koch
StudentTopic AuthorSharon,
I tinctured (dried) Mulberry leaf, Nettle leaf, Dandelion Root, and fresh Garlic, 1:5 solution, by weight, of herb to 80 proof, cheap vodka (See Doc’s lesson on making tinctures). Then later, I used a liquid measuring cup to pour equal amounts of each tincture (they had all been adequately infused and strained at this point). So 100 milliliters of each one, to equal a combined total of 400 ml. Then poured the whole lot into a little brown bottle. Or pour four ounces of each tincture into the two cup measuring cup, and then pour the combined liquid into a clean pint jar, put the lid on, label it, and now you have a whole pint to dispense into little brown bottles to share.
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December 15, 2022 at 3:03 AM #21802
Dr. Patrick Jones
Homestead InstructorIt works well without the pepper. But the pepper is a great addition. It has to be fresh ground as you take it. Don’t bother putting it in the formula or tincture.
Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.
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January 3, 2023 at 9:20 PM #23109
Sharon
StudentOk, dumb question here of course, but if it’s not in the formula or the tincture – how are you taking it? We generally take our tinctures in the morning just after breakfast and at bedtime. But I can’t see me licking a spoon of pepper to go with them! Which also makes me wonder about the amount of fresh pepper needed. Thanks as always!
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January 4, 2023 at 5:34 PM #23226
Dr. Patrick Jones
Homestead InstructorWhen I take tinctures, I always put them in a little water or juice or some such. If the tincture has turmeric, I’ll take the pepper grinder and put a few grinds of pepper in the glass too….1/4 tsp maybe?
In fact, when I feel something coming on, I often do just pepper and it knocks it out. It’s a great tonic and bugs hate it.
Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.
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January 22, 2024 at 3:57 PM #48253
Sharon
StudentUh oh, I’m confused again (shock of all shocks)! I have seen black pepper tincture in Doc’s store, and I know I’ve heard him mention making a black pepper tincture before. So that of course makes me wonder why he says not to put it in Michelle’s tincture. Please un-confuse me?
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January 24, 2024 at 10:17 AM #48369
Michelle Koch
StudentTopic Author@Sharon, Doc’s black pepper comment was in reference to his joint support formula, and not my green tonic.
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January 25, 2024 at 6:08 PM #48467
Sharon
StudentMichelle – either way… He says above to take it separately, but in other places he has mentioned (and sells) black pepper tincture. So is this just a “preference” for some – separate vs in the blend tincture or as a simple tincture? So… Still confused LOL!
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January 4, 2023 at 8:06 PM #23252
Sharon
StudentThanks Doc – you are just SOOOOO helpful – I have no idea how you find time to do all you have to do on and around the homestead AND answer all the questions here AND make super teaching videos – but I thank you for managing it all. 🙂
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