IdahoHerbalist – can you help me?

[SharonStudent]

Good day IdahoHerbalist – I had found a great post you did (at least I’m 99% sure it was you) on Bird Flu.  I pulled up that page intending to copy that info for my notebook, and yet, somehow I cannot find it at all.  I thought it was on the old Herb-Talk, but even using the “way back machine” – I still cannot find it.  Any chance you still have that info and can share it with me (and the group)?  I would greatly appreciate it!

[SharonStudentTopic Author]

Does anyone know where that really good (and long) post about bird flu was/is?  Of course, if it’s been genetically modified to make it more deadly as it is reported to be, I wonder if herbs will even work on it…

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[Christie WentzStudent]

I am following this question too! I am also from Idaho!

[DawnStudent]

Hi Sharon, I have replied to you twice, first last June, and again today. If you give me your email address, I will send you a word doc that is his post.

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[SharonStudentTopic Author]

Thanks Dawn, is there some private way to give you my email address?  I don’t really want to post it on public areas since that seems to create copious amounts of spam in my inbox!  Maybe we have a private chat here somewhere?

[DawnStudent]

Hi Sharon and Christie, I remember replying to your post in May. Yes, I can still pull it up in the search. It was Sept 27, 2012. IdahoHerbalist shared his research on Bird flu.I can’t copy it from here but I saved it after my reply to you dated June 2, 2024. So here is the whole post from IdahoHerbalist. ( Prayers that he is doing well and thanks to him for sharing his research. )

Distributed with permission from the author by IdahoHerbalist on Homestead Academy of Doc Jones on September 27, 2012:

This would probably work for ANY flu or virus too!!!

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Herbs for Bird flu or H5N1

I wrote this about a year and a half ago. I totally forgot about it. Thanks Susan for bringing it to our attention.

I have been researching H5N1 for a few months. My area of interest is prevention and treating with herbs. Of course quarentine and other preventive measures, such as masks and gloves if exposure cannot be helped, are common sense.

In many diseases (including H5N1 in humans), a “cytokine storm” is triggered by the infection. Cytokines are hormones that regulate the immune sytem. When released at the right time in the proper amounts, cytokines can help fight infections and regulate processes through out the body. Most of the research into the H5N1 virus suggests that this virus actually overstimulates the immune system, and that the body kills itself while trying to eliminate the avian flu infection. For this aspect of the virus I have on hand Turmeric, a well documented herbal anti-inflamitory and a formula called Immucalm. Immucalm is made simply of two herbs, Astragulas and Marshmallow. Astragulas alone stimulates the immune system, but the combination calms it. Immucalm is used very successfully for allergies.

Absorption of the curcumin in Turmeric can be increased when co-administered with piperine (a compound found in various species of pepper, including the black pepper found in most kitchens). I keep whole black pepper corns and will grind it fresh when needed.

The cytokines also increase production of reactive oxygen compounds (free radicals) that further the inflammation. Increasing our anti-oxident intake now and keeping it at a high level will increase our chances of being able to fight this virus if infected. Fruits and vegetables with intense color are high in anti-oxidents, as are many herbal teas. Some of the most notable are blueberry, bilberry, chokeberry, green tea and rooibus tea.

There has been much talk about Tamiflu and the possibility that it can curb the reproduction of the H5N1 virus. Tamiflu works by inhibiting an enzyme called neuraminidase. There are natural neuramidase inhibitors found in plants: the most widely studied is a compound called 5,7,4′-trihydroxy-8-methoxyflavone, which is found in the herb Scutellaria (commonly called skullcap). Another neuaminidase inhibitor is the chemical resveratrol. In addition to inhibiting neuraminidase, resveratrol also sends a message to cells to stop manufacturing viruses. Resveratrol is a compound found in large amounts in red wine, grape seeds, and Japanese knotweed. James Duke’s site lists grape leaves as the highest source of resveratrol.

There are many good anti-viral herbs to choose from to add to the above potential therapies. I will list only a few of my favorites. Garlic (fresh or oil), St. Johns Wort, Tea tree oil (as a steam inhaler or mixed with a carrier oil and rubbed into the lower chest and back).

There are many sites on the web that offer alternative therapy for H5N1. Here is one of the best I have seen. It has citations and numerous links.

“http://www.bird-flu-influenza.com/re…antivirals.htm”>http://www.bird-flu-influenza.com/re…antivirals.ht

I have seen similar lists and reasoning from other sources.

The following substances may be best to avoid during a H5N1 pandemic

Elderberry juice (Sambucal) – Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. This substance is very effective against the common flu but may not be desirable for the H5N1 Bird Flu virus. Increases in these cytokines may trigger a lethal cytokine storm. (Isr Med Journal2002 Nov;4:944-6)

Micro Algae (Chlorella and Spirulina) – Increases production of cytokine TNF-a (Pubmed PMID 11731916)

Honey – Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6 (Pubmed PMID12824009)

Chocolate – Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6 (Pubmed PMID 12885154, PMID 1091792

Echinacea – Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6. Although it is often used for normal flu, research shows that it may increase the chance of cytokine storms for H5N1 (Pubmed PMID 15556647, 9568541)

Kimchi – Increases production of cytokines TNF-a and IL-6 (Pubmed PMID15630182)

Dairy products & Bananas – These foods increase mucous production

Marcy G. Coles M.H.

 

 

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[Dr. Patrick JonesHomestead Instructor]

Dawn wrote:

Hi Sharon, I have replied to you twice, first last June, and again today. If you give me your email address, I will send you a word doc that is his post.

Hi Dawn,

I just saw this thread and restored your reply. Posts with external URLs are often automatically deleted by the forum robot.

Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.

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[SUZANNEStudent]

Unfortunately the above link does not work. Does anyone else have a link that works?

Thank you.

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[DawnStudent]

Suzanne, I have learned of research that was conducted on Black Cumin Seed oil ( Nigella Sativa) effectiveness against H5N1, as well as, Elderberry and Lemon Balm.  Check those out JAMA, Pub Med, etc.

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