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Sharon
Doc, in the protocol literature, you mention avoiding dairy, soy, gluten, sugar, yeast, and alcohol for about six weeks (just shoot me now!!) – and I am wondering if there are other things I need to avoid during the program time frame.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>Also wondering about sugar – is that regular white sugar/raw cane to avoid, or also maple syrup and honey as well.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>I rarely consume dairy other than butter and the occasional bit of cheese (pepper jack).<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>I honestly don’t have foods that are a problem, so I doubt a food journal would help, but knowing the complete list of no-no’s would help tremendously!<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>Hopefully not brown rice, quinoa, pinto beans, oatmeal, potatoes, and flat breads like tortillas and such, etc…. Oh, the tinctures and powders – with food or empty stomach, or does it matter at all?<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>And speaking of tinctures, you mention avoiding alcohol – I’m assuming you’re talking about drinking it, and not meaning to avoid tinctures.
You also mention a two week cleanse of the GI tract as beneficial.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>I am assuming that this would be AFTER the leaky gut program is done?<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>I’m not certain I have a leaky gut, but will go thru this program to heal whatever is going on in the gut (ulcers, whatever…). <span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>Thanks for your guidance!
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Dr. Patrick Jones
Decreasing simple carbs has a lot of benefits. One is that high sugar levels increase insulin levels which markedly increases inflammation. The other is that high sugar levels favor micro-organisms in the gut that shouldn’t be the dominant species ie…Candida. So, if you’re doing a cleanse or trying to heal the gut, starving the bad bugs, favoring the good-guy bugs and decreasing inflammation are good ideas.
If you think about how humans were designed to eat, you’ll know what to eat. In our natural state, we didn’t have access to high levels of simple carbohydrates. And when we did, they were more complex (fruit, honey, whole grains). White sugar and white flour are way too much of a “good” thing.
To answer your other question, when someone wants to do a cleanse and a leaky gut program, I always have them do the cleanse first. Clean up then repair.
Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.
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Ok then, I was about to start the leaky gut – glad you corrected me so I can do the cleanse first!
But I’m not that sharp when it comes to no-no’s for these different diets. White sugar and flour are kind of obvious, but many other things are just not obvious and intuitive for me for probably the same reason that I eat them to start with (screwed up taste buds and bad foods=good taste, good foods = bad taste — which is likely why I need the cleanse, the leaky gut repair, maybe candida cleanse, etc. So butter on home made popcorn is a classic example of my “good for me” snack. Popcorn IS after all a vegetable!! Any help, or a link to a site that lays out “can eat” foods (which will likely go over like a lead balloon with my taste buds) vs “can’t eat” foods, the ones I crave I’m sure – this would be a valuable asset that I can post in the pantry!!
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There are lots of websites out there that list the glycemic index of various foods. You want things with a lower glycemic index.
Google “glycemic index foods” and you’ll find one. :0)
And, you don’t have to completely eliminate any of the foods during the cleanse. Just do what you can to clean up the diet so you aren’t causing more problems than you’re fixing. :0)
Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.
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So the leaky gut cleanse as well as the herbal cleanse – both are “do your best” kind of diets? I didn’t realize both were mostly about the glycemic index of the foods. That kinda helps. But you mentioned avoiding dairy, soy, gluten, sugar, yeast, and alcohol so I thought it was more than the GI. Is butter or cheese ok? And what about tinctures? I just want this to be as good as I can possibly do so I don’t have to “enjoy this” anytime real soon again!! No offense to your great cleanse kits – it’s just that most folks probably manage to eat better than I do 🙁
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Glenda
Hi Sharon,
Just FYI, getting your tastebuds to cooperate takes a while. But several good elimination diets have guidelines to help you figure out what works. Whole30 is my favorite, and the rules and regulations are clearly explained on her website.
A natural health practitioner told my sister, “If God made it, and man didn’t mess with it, you can eat it.” However, don’t beat yourself up if you eat something off-course because negative emotions can also stop a cleanse. Just start over with more determination. You can do it!
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Hey Glenda – thanks for the encouragement! The big problem is that pretty much anything good for me tastes awful (almost every herb and tincture included), but anything awful for me usually tastes great. I’m wired backwards or something. Hubby keeps telling me to just “tell myself” this or that about tastes. I told him that this is not a case of positive self talk changing anything. I’m over 60 and have had this problem my whole life. Something went wrong somewhere for this “super taster” – a trait I would happily trade in! I’m about to embark on 7 weeks with the Herbal Cleanse followed by 6-8 weeks on the Leaky Gut Protocol. To say I dread the diet for that long is a vast understatement. I know it’s what I need, and I really need to change my diet – but gosh, my taste buds and stomach almost declare war on me! Pray for me!?
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I know you’re not the only person dealing with this. Would you mind sharing what you typically eat in a day? No judgment! But with everyone here, I’m sure we can find or come up with recipes for a healthier substitute that won’t gag you.?
And Gretchen is right; keep telling yourself it’s temporary. Tomorrow or next week will be different. Keto and paleo are similar. Keto is higher fat and lower carb (not ideal for anyone with liver disease), while paleo allows all the carbs you want but no dairy (except ghee). You can also have honey, dates, dried fruit, and maple syrup on paleo.
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Glenda – you’re sweet to encourage me! You are right of course, “it’s only a week” (for each round on the cleanse, but probably not the leaky gut one). Heck out of the two “plans” you mentioned, I’d sign up for Paleo over Keto hands down. I LOVE my carbs sadly. Potatoes (chips, hash browns, whatever…), chocolate is always a battle for me, bread is not a huge battle, but I do enjoy bread of all types, and LOVE butter (and pepper jack cheese from time to time). I like some veggies, but most are a challenge, and I like some fruits, but probably the ones I like best are the “no-no’s, and I really love orange juice (it’s also how I get icky tasting tinctures down me!). At least I like pinto beans, brown rice, quinoa, and oatmeal (honey or maple syrup in it of course). We eat hardly any “boxed or bagged” items, but do like some canned or frozen from time to time, and eat “convenience foods” rarely. But that elimination diet seems to eliminate most of what I like and include a lot of veggies (not my fav obviously). I will get thru this – my body belongs to my creator, so He will give me the strength… Thanks for your kind offer to help me figure out ways to deal with the elimination diet and such! Hugs!
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Jodie Hummel
I can really relate to not liking things that are good for me! I’m 53 at present, and my whole life, when I eat veggies, there’s a common taste that I just can’t get past. I’ve always figured it is a common chemical or something. The joke is I’ll eat any veggie if it has enough butter and/or cheese on it, but I really feel stupid when I’m around people who just love veggies, because I just don’t see the attraction. I’m also the one the family always asks to make veggie dishes (and I protest, because there won’t be any love in it, lol). I have noticed though, that when I get some distance between my tum and sugar, carbs, etc., veggies aren’t quite as unpalatable. Funny thing is, when I eat a salad, I feel so refreshed an invigorated. I really wonder if it isn’t a mental thing with me…dinnertime was horrific for me growing up. I’m the youngest, so allllllll dinnertime attention was focused on “eat this, have more of this, clean your plate.” One gramma sat and force-fed me extremely hot German sausage when I was about 4…I threw up so badly that night, and I remember how much in pain I was from the pepper, and I was terrified of choking, because bless her, gramma would shove a piece in and hold her hand over my mouth until I swallowed. Hard core. She was doing her best. But to this day, if I have anything with pronounced capsaicin, it’s an instant migraine. Black pepper, too much cinnamon or ginger, really any pepper. I’m fun to eat out with haha. Digressing, sorry. But you’re not alone, and maybe I can get past the veggie-loathing if I but change my diet and dedicate some prayer time to focusing on the damage to my mind that the bad incidents caused. Maybe it’s all in my head! Anyway, take heart that you’re not alone. But also take heart that we have hope!
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Gretchen Kaup
I’m currently doing the herbal cleanse kit that Doc sells. I’m in the 3rd week and if it helps, this is how I’m doing things. The tinctures are easier for me, but the powders are literally hard to swallow, esp. 3x a day! But each day I’m seeing benefits and the formulas change each week, so when it get a bad tasting one, I remind myself it’s only a week.
I add the tinctures to juice, just a small amount so I can drink them quickly. Then I drink more water afterwards. For the powders, I blended with some fresh juice or coconut water and have a sip of water after each gulp. Then I eat a spoonful of nut butter or something to get the taste out of my mouth.
I changed my diet to eat mostly Keto–mostly meats and veggies with lots of olive oil, ghee, and spices to add flavor. I find when I’m hungry I now crave those recipes. I do eat some processed things, like cassava chips and almond milk, but get organic and no preservatives. And berries are a great fruit option. I skimp a little right now with a keto, low-glycemic shake every day, but my last few weeks I’m planning to eat mostly veggies with some meat and eggs.
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Gretchen – I’m so with you on the powders!<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>YUCK!<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>But you’re right, only a week at a time (for the cleanse anyway).<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>I generally put my tinctures (and the powders before my tinctures were done) in orange juice (seems to work for me better than other juices that I don’t like as much), then chase it with about a tablespoon of juice.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>I like the idea of nut butter as a “palate cleanser”!<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>I usually have a chia shake daily made with coconut milk and almond milk together with orange juice, some herbal powders, and chia.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>I hope this will still be allowed on both the cleanse and the leaky gut diets.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>Like I previously mentioned, I love carbs.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>I really love carbs.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>:-(<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>I think I could tolerate Paleo more than Keto due to the difference in carbs vs veggies.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>I guess I’m going to have to “up” my intake of microgreens.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>Oddly, I like those much better than “regular” veggies!<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>I look forward to the time that I crave good stuff over potato chips, chocolate and other bad stuff!
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Annett
Sharon,
I’m so proud of you for taking this leap to heal. It’s not easy. I’ve been working on healing my gut and changing eating patterns for years. The taste buds do change. I read that it takes about 3 months. It’s been my experience that it takes longer for some foods and shorter for others. If you change just the glycemic index, as Doc suggests, and nothing else, you’ll see results most likely. Since I don’t ever have all the answers to all my questions, I settled on doing what I know is best at the time. As time goes on, I learn something else and work on that then. It’s easy to get overwhelmed, hoping we won’t have to do a horrible cleanse or protocol again. However, it’s been my experience that doing just what we know to do and moving forward will bring the desired results eventually. For me it was a long road to a leaky gut and it’s been a curious and interesting road to healing it. Not a short road either. But definitely interesting. Some tips that have helped me, in case they are helpful to you:
-I think about what flavors I like and ask myself how can I incorporate them into the herbs I need to take. -Whenever I put dried powdered herbs into water to drink, I add a pinch of homegrown dried & powdered stevia to the mix. -If I’m taking flaxseed, I’ve added a pinch of cinnamon to it because I love that flavor.
-If the herb is a demulcent, I do not use it as a tincture for sure. But it can be difficult to mix and to get down. I bought a Froth Blast t mix quickly. I put water in the cup, then the herbs, then froth it quickly and down the hatch. Most demulcents haven’t had a bad flavor, but I’ve added strawberry puree’ to them or stevia for taste.
-If taking tinctures, I usually just take them on a spoon and then follow up with water or a piece of apple or almonds, similar to what you said.
-I try to keep reading about healthful foods, and herbs in particular, so my brain knows how good they are for me. This also helps me stay encouraged and motivated to succeed.
-The first time I did the Leaky Gut protocol I did an elimination diet too and it was extremely confusing for me. I finally learned about getting a Food Sensitivity Assay, a blood test that tells something about food antigens and your body’s allergic response to foods–or something like that. This changed everything for me. I stopped eating those foods. Garlic was one of them. I love garlic so it was extremely sad for me. And! Dairy wasn’t in any of them. As soon as I stopped eating the foods on the list, I saw a remarkable change in my health. But it took a while to figure out how to eat without garlic and other things like lettuce. (I even like arugula now since I found what I like with it. I never would have guessed it was possible.)
-My father taught me my mind was in control of the rest of my body. Telling my body to take the herbs and use them well to heal my body is a powerful medicine in and of itself. So I believe your husband’s words are precious advice to add to the mix of other things you’re working with to heal.
-With all my heart, I want to heal quickly, always. But healing takes time for a reason. I’ve had to learn to be patient with myself and allow my amazing body to heal, over time, in its own time, as I work on giving it what it needs to do so.
Thanks for sharing about your journey to heal your gut. I’m working on it too at present. I’m in my third week. This is the third time I’ve done the Leaky Gut protocol and the first time I’ve started with the cleanse. I’m so glad Doc told us to do the cleanse first. I was missing that piece in previous tries. I can’t believe how great I’m doing. Herbs are remarkable. Doc is generous and a real blessing to us! And I’m so grateful my old body still heals:)
You’ve got this Sharon. 🙂
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Annett – what a great encourager you are!<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>I had heard many years ago that taste buds can change, but honestly, I think I just haven’t had a strong enough desire to eat the way I need to so they will change.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>I am (at Doc’s suggestion) doing the “teasel tongue” thing just to give my taste buds a kick in the proverbial pants.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>Great tips for the leaky gut and good to have confirmation from you that the cleanse first really helps.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>I stepped out in faith on that from Doc, so I’m just waiting on hubby’s herbal cleanse to get back in stock now before we launch…. I don’t have any powdered stevia, but like the organic maple syrup (totally natural, so maybe it’s ok to use), but I would think that the cinnamon would “need” some sweetener (like on toast as an example).
Great thought on the Food Sensitivity Assay – I just emailed my Naturopath to see if he would order the test for me (and hubby) before we start the cleanse and leaky gut (hubby isn’t doing the leaky gut, but will be doing the cleanse).<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>Also we are both doing LifeLine Screening PRIOR to starting the cleanse – so we have a baseline for next year’s test after doing good stuff for this year.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>I have been telling myself with every icky powder or tincture that I really, really want to clean up my act diet wise, so I just tell myself to “suck it up buttercup and take your ‘good for you’ herbs”!<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>Getting my taste buds to agree is another matter altogether though!<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>Good advice on remembering to be patient with my healing (I didn’t get this way overnight, and I won’t get well overnight!).<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>Thank you again for your good words to bless and encourage me with your experiences.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>And you are so right – Doc is generous with his knowledge and patient with the many questions that I (and others) dump on him.<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>He is a wonderfully kind soul!<span class=”Apple-converted-space”> </span>
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Doc, with regard to the leaky gut protocol, is it normal to have soft stools during the small colon cleanse?
Is it normal to have soft stools during the liver cleanse?
Is there a way to know that the small intestine cleanse is successful?
Is there a way to know that the liver cleanse is successful?
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soft stools are normal for both intestine phases and for the liver phase. :0)
Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.
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