mast cell tumor

[jliz]

I have a friend who’s dog (10.5 y.o. whippet, neutered male) is having a recurrence of a mast cell tumor. His first was a fairly large sized tumor on his back/flank. It was surgically removed, and the dog has been treated since with Benadryl 100mgs and Tagamet 200 mgs, both b.i.d. Now, two years later, he has another tumor above his knee, about golf ball sized. The plan is for surgical removal. The dog has no GI or Respiratory system involvement. The dog does have a heart murmur, about a Grade II. My friend is wondering if there are herbal treatments, or herbal supports for the dog’s health as he goes through his second surgery. Thank you for your input.

[jliz]

Just realized that I probably should have put this under Veterinary – sorry, I am new to the forums.

[Dr. Patrick JonesHomestead Instructor]

I have used these two formulas on cancer cases. I find that the dogs live longer and feel better. In rare cases the cancers go away but that is very much the exception. Don’t start the formulas until after surgery.

Immunity:

Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.

[IdahoHerbalist]

What about mistletoe and the infamous CHAPARRAL?

[Dr. Patrick JonesHomestead Instructor]

IdahoHerbalist wrote: What about mistletoe and the infamous CHAPARRAL?

There’s Chaparral in the Blood klnz. :crazy:

Mistletoe is excellent as well. They’re doing some good work killing cancer with mistletoe extract and vitamin C given IV. That’s how Suzanne Somers beat her breast cancer.

Doc

Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.

[jliz]

Thank you, Dr. Jones, and IdahoHerbalist. I have passed on this information, and my friend is very appreciate. How is the mistletoe administered?

[Dr. Patrick JonesHomestead Instructor]

jliz wrote: Thank you, Dr. Jones, and IdahoHerbalist. I have passed on this information, and my friend is very appreciate. How is the mistletoe administered?

How big is the dog?

Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.

[jliz]

He is presently about 70 lbs (rather hefty}

[IdahoHerbalist]

We have it in tincture form. I would administer 15 – 20 drops once or twice a day in whatever way the pooch would take it.

[IdahoHerbalist]

California Responsible Pet Owners Coalition (CaRPOC)

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…Elias Animal Health is the only company in the country to develop a new type of treatment to treat cancer in dogs. The treatment takes both good cells and bad cancer cells and creates a vaccine, in a sense teaching the good cells to fight the bad ones.

… Dakota’s treatment was free because it was part of a clinical trial. Elias Animal Health is looking for around 50 dogs more dogs to partake in free clinical trials. They are looking for dogs with Osteosarcoma and B-Cell Lymphoma. …

[jliz]

thank you, I have passed along the information about the clinical study, also

[Dr. Patrick JonesHomestead Instructor]

Where does the dog live?

Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.

[Joshua Parke]

Another big thing to consider is what the dog is eating daily. Google, Pottengers cats, for a good read on what happens to an organism when it is fed it’s incorrect species food. Essentially….they become sick and diseased, which compounds from generation to generation, until they can no longer reproduce.

From my knowledge, dogs are omnivores, and I recall hearing and reading stories through the the years of people bringing health to their pets by giving herbs and feeding the species appropriate food. For dogs, I seem to recall people feeding fruit, veggies, and raw meats with bone, then adding tincture formulas to their food. Kidney, adrenal, and lymphatic tinctures are a few common ones I recall. Another thing, some people think they need to cook the meat or veggies before giving them to their dog….don’t cook their food. Raw is best!

What about using black salve? I’ve no experience with it, but I do know that it is an aggressive puller of diseased tissue. So if the dog has a simple skin tumor then it would be my understanding that black salve would be useful. Please study up on it though, because it will pull all diseased tissue out around the area where it is applied….even if that tissue is a diseased lymph node, it will pull that lymph node out. Again, make sure they study up on this before giving it a go.

[jliz]

Sorry, Dr. Jones, I was away from my computer and didn’t see you question. The dog lives in Rochester, NY

[jliz]

This is an update on the case I presented about the dog with a recurring mast cell tumor, this time in his leg. The biopsy has come back, and the tumor is not a mast cell tumor, this one is a sarcoma. I’m not positive of the exact type of sarcoma, but my friend was told that it is one that tends to re-occur, but not as much to metastasize. Unfortunately, due to the location of the incision (on the knee), the incision re-opened, and probably can’t be closed surgically.

The plan will be to send the dog home with wet-to-dry dressings, on antibiotics, and let the wound heal naturally. Luckily my friend is a nurse and so will be able to handle the wound care.

We have ordered the tinctures suggested in the last post, and I am wondering what might be helpful herbs/treatments to use to speed healing of the wound. Perhaps some to add to the saline in the wet to dry bandaging? We did notice that the pet version of rescue remedy worked well to keep his dog calmer and more apt to lie down.

I so appreciate all of the suggestions I have received so far. Thanks so much!

[IdahoHerbalist]

I would suggest the Poultice formula. It can be applied either as a poultice our used as a tea (2 teaspoons per cup) and sprayed on.

(ignore the text in the link, it will take you to the correct place.)

[jliz]

Thank you!

[Dr. Patrick JonesHomestead Instructor]

jliz wrote: He is presently about 70 lbs (rather hefty}

I’d give a teaspoon of each twice a day mixed with a little canned food.

Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.

[jliz]

IdahoHerbalist wrote: I would suggest the Poultice formula. It can be applied either as a poultice our used as a tea (2 teaspoons per cup) and sprayed on.

(ignore the text in the link, it will take you to the correct place.)

Just a question on this – the wound is extremely deep, and the grafts to cover failed. At this point the dog is home with wet to dry bandage changes (his owner is a nurse). Is it ok to use the spray on such a deep wound? I noticed it has comfrey root in it, and if I remember correctly, there is an issue with using comfrey on deep wounds (because it can close the surface too quickly).

Thanks so much for all of your advice

[IdahoHerbalist]

I would stick with the internal treatment until the wound is not so deep before using the spray.

[jliz]

Thank you, we will hold on the spray for a while.

Thanks so much for all of the advice – the owner (and I) are extremely grateful.

[Dr. Patrick JonesHomestead Instructor]

If the wound is cone shaped (narrower as it goes deeper) the spray will probably be fine. It will fill as it heals. If you start to notice it contracting on the surface faster than it’s filling inside, just back off on the spray for awhile.

Doc

Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.

[Dr. Patrick JonesHomestead Instructor]

Be aware too, that comfrey will make cancer cells happy and divide more quickly as well. So if the cancer isn’t all gone, you could speed it’s recurrence. On the other hand, if it isn’t all gone it will be back again eventually anyway. If the surgeon is confident that he got it all, comfrey is fine. If not, you may do better to hold off on the comfrey.

For deep, narrow wounds I like plantain. I accelerate healing but at a much slower rate.

Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.

[alleycat]

I’m new to the forum & found this discussion interesting. I have a McNabb/Australian shepherd who has tumors & was wondering if there was something I could give her to help “get rid of them”, but without having surgery? (We don’t have the money to spend several hundreds of dollars for something like that, as much as I would like). I’ve read that using Flax seeds or flax seed oil & cottage cheese worked, but haven’t tried it. She’s probably nearing 10 yrs.

Thanks :notworthy:

Alli

[Dr. Patrick JonesHomestead Instructor]

alleycat wrote: I’m new to the forum & found this discussion interesting. I have a McNabb/Australian shepherd who has tumors & was wondering if there was something I could give her to help “get rid of them”, but without having surgery? (We don’t have the money to spend several hundreds of dollars for something like that, as much as I would like). I’ve read that using Flax seeds or flax seed oil & cottage cheese worked, but haven’t tried it. She’s probably nearing 10 yrs.

Thanks :notworthy:

Alli

These two formulas together are what I use in my veterinary practice.

https://homegrownherbalist.net/products/immunity-formula

https://homegrownherbalist.net/products/blood-klnz-formula

They seem to slow the progression and improve quality of life.

Doc

Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.

[alleycat]

Thanks Doc……She’s my oldest baby now…..but still young. I’m not ready for her to leave (it should be a few years for that anyway) :wub:

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