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Sharon
These questions are mostly for Doc Jones, but will happily take suggestions from everyone as well.
1. Is Fire Cider really the immune system miracle that people claim it is? Or has it gained a reputation that isn’t really warranted?
2. Are there herbs/formulas (other than Immunity Support, which is a great formula and we do use it) that can give as good or better of a bump to the immune system? (I ask because I HATE fire cider – makes me gag).
3. Would just taking elder or echinacea daily do as much good (or something else that I’m not thinking of at the moment)?
4. I am going to go back and go thru ALL the immunity lessons again since I likely have forgotten half of it by now, but I need to either start (preferably this weekend) another fire cider (since we only have about 2 weeks worth left) OR figure out a “replacement” for it as a tincture, capsules, or something. It’s deep winter still here in the High Rockies of Colorado, so we still have a lot of the “cold and flu season” left and honestly our immune systems around here aren’t all that great in spite of Immunity Support (might need to up our daily dose on this one).
I ask these questions partially because I have aging herbs that I really need to use up! Partially because of the taste of FC also I will confess. I just hate letting my herbs get pretty much “powerless”!
Thanks in advance!
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Jean
Re: Capsules: Some people do not digest them very well, and wasnt it Doc Jones that said the capsule part gets digested in the small intestines and sometimes you need the medicine to be released in the stomach?
Immunity support: There is always the thought of switching product every week. ie: week one: ___________ week two:___________ week three: ___________ week four:_______ Then see which week you feel the best? There are lots of things probably knocking our immune systems down that we dont even know about.
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Jean & Christa – I think the thing with capsules is less about “digesting them” than it is WHERE and WHEN they get digested. Meaning capsules make it to the intestines often before dissolving (although I am using a tapioca based pullulan capsule that is supposed to dissolve quicker than the lesser tolerated capsules). That said, I seem to recall Doc saying that many things are ok to be absorbed in the intestines, but some are not. I figure it this way – we can only take so many tinctures daily (we probably take around 20 as it is), so since we don’t want liver damage from all that booze, using up much of my aging herbs via capsules is better than letting them go to waste, and who knows what good things might happen in our bodies while we’re “cycling thru” many of my older herbs!? And I think you’re right, there are likely many causes of immune “slump”. We do take the Immunity Support tincture daily (usually a day off about every 10-14 days though with all the tinctures). We only take the echinacea when we need a temporary bump like a public gathering or something where we could pick up a bug.
Regarding fire cider – I’ve found a bit of a work around to get that vile stuff down me “almost painlessly”! We take some lemon flavored cod liver oil daily, so if I take a teaspoon or so and just swish it around in my mouth and “coat” my tongue and all, then I can do a “fast shot” of the fire cider and it’s not horrible. I found that putting a pinch of salt in it also helps, but since I’m taking the cod liver oil anyway, and don’t really need more salt, I just go with the oil. When I press the fire cider marc next week, I will dry it and then powder it and make capsules. I figure that after 2-3 weeks of soaking up apple cider vinegar which is good for me, but also gags me, that there should be enough good stuff left in the marc to at least get SOME good out of it in capsules. So the liquid in the morning, and the capsule in the evening is the plan for that!
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15:30 Doc says he would not take echinacea long term. Jenni said to shake up the immune herbs (meaning change them around)
My sister has heart issues and is on medications. Therefore, Elder is not recommended in her case.
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Christa Renner
Have you looked at the Immunity Support Tincture? I am not sure about daily use, but most long-term use herbs work very well if you take a break from use for a week or so. It gives your body time to reboot and may help the absorption rate of the herb when you return to taking it. My family will not take the Fire Cider so it has never been an option in our house. This tincture has worked well for us. Hope this helps.
https://homegrownherbalist.net/product/immunity-support-tincture/
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Deleted my post after remembering that the applesauce wouldnt be easy for you to use since its the taste of the powders that your unable to handle.
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Paige
Sharon,
Just a bit of encouragement about fire cider. I have at least 8-10 different recipes. If there is something in particular that you do not like, you might want to consider leaving it out or substituting something else for that herb or root. If it is the Apple Cider vinegar that bothers you, you might want to consider making your own vinegar or try another vinegar like white wine vinegar or champagne vinegar. And you can also just add some honey and turn it into an oxymel. I have found these to be very nice for those in my family that can’t take the vinegar. I personally do believe it helps, ACV has so many benefits that the addition of addition herbs and roots can only enhance it. Hope this helps.
PMR
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Paige – it’s not so much “something in particular that you do not like” as it is the whole package. Pretty much anything with ACV is almost nauseating to me – and I’ve tried making my own vinegars about 8 times and it’s a complete flop every time (and I follow the instructions every time). So there’s that. At least I’ve found a work around for my taste buds and fire cider now. I just strained off about 3 half gallons today and added honey (a pretty fair amount of honey!) – so I’m stuck with it for a while LOL! Actually that was the objective was to be able to dose it pretty healthy to get the immune system pumped up.
Susan – fire cider is basically an immune system booster to keep one healthy and away from colds and flu. It’s apple cider vinegar loaded with things like garlic, onions, ginger, turmeric, and optional things like cinnamon, lemon, orange, elderberries, rosehips, thyme, oregano, lemon balm, calendula, astragalus root, peppercorns, etc. Each ingredient to some degree designed to boost our overall health.
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Sharon, Yesterday I gave away a dry form of fire cider. (It came in a bundle of things recommended for a class that I took prior to HGH) I imagine you could powder the dry form of fire cider and encapsulate it? I guess there would be no ACV in the dry form, but, I have heard about dry forms of ACV that you could add to it? Just look up dry forms of fire cider. The one I had was from farmhouse.
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Jean, I actually encapsulated my spent marc based on a video I watched where they actually tasted the freeze dried and powdered marc, and obviously it still had a lot of life left in it based on their reactions to the taste! So we take the liquid fire cider in the morning, and take the capsule with dinner. That way I get more of it without having to deal with that taste! Even the capsules smell!
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Susan Hoskins
I am new to Fire Cider. What is it and what does it do?
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Dr. Patrick Jones
Fire cider is a general term that could mean any number of recipes. So, I can’t really comment on how effective it is or whether it’s good idea for long-term use.
In general, long-term use of immune stimulating herbs isn’t ideal. Many of those sorts of herbs are for crisis resolution not long-term prevention.
Don't use herbs or combine herbs with medications or use them during lactation or pregnancy without talking with your healthcare provider.
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